Tuesday, July 06, 2004

Discrimination alert

Passing this along...

Call to action! Fifteen year old Rachel Sura, a Wiccan, is being forced to attend church services and has been denied access to religous material by Francis Townsdin of Hoisington Youth Home. The Kansas Courts have refused to get involved, stating that "the court cannot order Hoisington Youth Home to accomodate these requests. The court suggests that Rachel Sura request only one or two books at a time and only those dealing with her religion and suggests that she request private time to meditate." Jean Sura, mother, and Paula Hofaker, attorney at law, have appealed the decision of the Kansas court system. The Kansas chapter of the Pagan Unity Campaign and Pagans United, in a joint motion, would like to remind the Kansas Courts that Wicca is a federally recognized and protected religion and that it is the courts place to get involved when the child's religious freedoms are being impeded upon by the group home in question. We would also like to remind Kansas Child Protective Services that it is their duty to protect the rights of children to the fullest extent of the law. By allowing Francis Townsdin and Hoisington Youth Home to force Rachel Sura to attend church service, and to deny her access to religious materials, they have neglected their duty to the child, and to the state of Kansas.

Furthermore, we would like to offer our full support to Jean and Rachel Sura as they appeal the decision of the Courts. Both Kansas PUC and Pagans United will exhaust all possible resources available to us in our fight for Rachel Sura.

"The right to worship God according to the dictates of conscience shall never be infringed; nor shall any person be compelled to attend or support any form of worship; nor shall any control of or interference with the rights of conscience be permitted, nor any preference be given by law to any religious establishment or mode of worship. No religious test or property qualification shall be required for any office of public
trust, nor for any vote at any elections, nor shall any person be incompetent to testify on account of religious belief."
Kansas Bill of Rights,
Article 7


"To be a bona fide religious belief entitled to protection under either the First Amendment or Title VII, a belief must be sincerely held, and within the believer's own scheme of things religious."
USCA Const. Amend 1: Civil Rights Act 1964 701 et
seq., 717 as amended 42 USCA 2000-16


"Wicca is a Federally recognized religion. Even the military recognizes this and provides space on military installations and ships for Wiccans to practice their religion. The people involved in this case are clearly in the wrong and need to review the law and the U.S. Constitution before they make any further decisions in this case."
Laura Wandrie, Pagans United President, June 2004


"There were no stipulation placed in the Constitution about "once you are old enough" or "as long as you believe such", the right to freedom of religion should apply to all
ages and all faiths. Rachel Sura has been let down by the very state, agencies, and court system which are supposed to be in place to protect her. Those involved should rethink their positions and place themselves back in accordance with the laws they are supposed
to uphold."
Angie Mae, Kansas Pagan Unity Campaign State Chair, June 2004


The Kansas chapter of the Pagan Unity Campaign and Pagans United would like to encourage Pagan citizens to get involved by writing to both the courts and CPS to remind them of their responsibility to protect the rights of Rachel Sura by putting a stop to Hoisington Youth Home violation's of her basic rights. We ask you to support and defend the rights of Jean and Rachel Sura's claim with any and all legal means available to you. You can contact
CPS at: Children and Family Services
915 S.W. Harrison, Room 551-S
Topeka, KS 66612-1570
Information: (785) 296-4653
Fax: (785) 368-8159


posted by Unknown at 9:01 PM :: ~#~
(47) comments

47 Comments:

This is an outrage and is prejudice against this poor girl. She is 15 years old which is old enough to know what her beliefs are. She should not be held back from their and be forced to practice someone else's beliefs. This has got to stop.

Crystal Cougar

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:50 AM  

This was posted on a website. The part about Wiccans really ticked me off.

If Your Child is a Gothic, Reform Through the Lord!
Listed below are some warning signs to indicate if your
child may have gone astray from the Lord.

Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous
culture that young teenagers are prone to participating in. The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds into an imagined world of evil,darkness, and violence. Please seek immediate attention through counselling, prayer,
and parental guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if five or more of the following are applicable to your child:



-Frequently wears black clothing.
-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.
-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.
-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various
other Satanic worshipping symbols.
-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.
-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of
music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks
against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)
-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically.
-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such
as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.
-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic,
the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.
-Takes drugs.
-Drinks alcohol.
-Is suicidal and/or depressed.
-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)
-Complains of boredom.
-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
-Is excessively awake during the night.
-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)
-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.
-Spends large amounts of time alone.
-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your child may speak to evil sprits.)
-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.
-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and
elders are but a few examples of this.
-Misbehaves at school.
-Misbehaves at home.
-Eats excessively or too little.
-Eats goth-related foods. Count Chocula cereal is an example of this. (COUNT CHOCULA CEREAL MEANS YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEVIL)
-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood.
(Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)
-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media
sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)
-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.
-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.
-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.
-Dances to music in a provocative manner.
-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.
-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.
-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".
-Claims to be a goth.

If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it. If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental health center.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:46 PM  

This was posted on a website. The part about Wiccans really ticked me off.

If Your Child is a Gothic, Reform Through the Lord!
Listed below are some warning signs to indicate if your
child may have gone astray from the Lord.

Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous
culture that young teenagers are prone to participating in. The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds into an imagined world of evil,darkness, and violence. Please seek immediate attention through counselling, prayer,
and parental guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if five or more of the following are applicable to your child:



-Frequently wears black clothing.
-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.
-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.
-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various
other Satanic worshipping symbols.
-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.
-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of
music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks
against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)
-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically.
-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such
as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.
-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic,
the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.
-Takes drugs.
-Drinks alcohol.
-Is suicidal and/or depressed.
-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)
-Complains of boredom.
-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
-Is excessively awake during the night.
-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)
-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.
-Spends large amounts of time alone.
-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your child may speak to evil sprits.)
-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.
-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and
elders are but a few examples of this.
-Misbehaves at school.
-Misbehaves at home.
-Eats excessively or too little.
-Eats goth-related foods. Count Chocula cereal is an example of this. (COUNT CHOCULA CEREAL MEANS YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEVIL)
-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood.
(Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)
-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media
sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)
-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.
-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.
-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.
-Dances to music in a provocative manner.
-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.
-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.
-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".
-Claims to be a goth.

If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it. If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental health center.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:56 PM  

OH MY GODDESS. Yes, that's godDESS. I'm wiccan, and I think what you're saying is effin' crap. Count Chocula?! Are you kidding me? It's a cereal! It's just a clever marketing scheme you nut! The devil does not speak to children through chocolate! Nor do I believe the devil exists at all, but if he did, don't you think he'd find them somewhere they're sure to be, like school? And the whole "alone time" thing, might be because they've got nutty parents! They're teenagers for goodness sake, there are hormones coursing through their bodies! As for the pentacles, pentagrams, paganism, wicca, Buddhism, ect... I think you're disgusting. Disrespectful. Doesn't your bible teach you love? Forgivness? Acceptance? Maybe you just missed that day in church huh? Paganism and all it's branches is about NATURE WORSHIP. We worship the earth and her beauty. We pray to many gods who have specialties, instead of just one. Call them experts if you want. We DO NOT call on Satan, nor do most pagans even believe he exists. The way I see it and learned, was that the god and goddess were two beings on an empty earth. They wanted to create something beautiful, so the god blew his breath and created trees, grass, flowers and the earth. The goddess started dancing and water flowed like the beat she danced to, and the sky above was created. Then they both made animals, and people. The people were the keepers of the earth, the guardians. Then, so they could watch over, the God became the sun and the Goddess became the moon. Basically, they take shifts. They are loving, not evil. And as for the black clothing and such, I wear it too. Do you think Sears must be a bunch of satanists just 'cause they produce black clothing? What if God's beard is black, eh? What about people with natural black hair. Man was created in the image of god, right? So why would he give them "evil" hair? hmm...seems to me like God is contradicting himself...or maybe it's just you making assumptions. And being kinda nuts. Complains of boredom? Now what kind of statement is that? SOMETIMES PEOPLES MINDS REFUSE TO BE STIMULATED! IT HAPPENS! Oh, piercings and tattoos...hm, have you not ever seem a person with Jesus' face tattooed on their arm? A cross? God's name? 'Cause I have. Obviously the devil didn't possess them to do this, why would he want God's name on them? hm. Doesn't make sense does it. And piercings? Well gee, lots of Christians seem to have their ears pierced...is that okay? God must have his ears pierced too, right? otherwise man shouldn't be allowed to. 'Cause man is created in his image and all. Marilyn Manson? I think he's a genius! Did you know that he's qualified to be a lawyer and a doctor? Not a stupid man that one, he just happens to have a different idea of art. And religion. People are allowed to have that right? Different ideas? Unless you're a communist, but I guess not 'cause that would automatically make you an atheist. Hm. Geez...not many of these "goth indications" seem to be making much sense huh? Well I could ramble on for some time more, but you're probably so set in your [closed] christian mind that there's no point. By the way, in case you've been wondering what kind of person is talking to you, my name is Paulina (WATCH OUT, that's an unusual name, I might be the devil), I go to a private catholic girls school ("what?" you say. "but she's not catholic?!" uh oh.), I like to sing, dance, canoe, and I'm WICCAN. I like to modify my body. I like to wear fun (even eccentric!) clothing, and black clothes too. I'm 15 years old. DO I SOUND EVIL TO YOU?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:43 PM  

Ok, sweetheart, chill out. That goofy thing has made the rounds of all the pagan mailing lists. It's a joke mail the best we can figure out. It's not something that any of us take seriously. We just tend to ignore it.

By Blogger Unknown, at 8:56 PM  

Ok, ya, that one joke mail thing, i qualify as a goth, because their are like 36 points in their, and i constantly do 28 of them. I would say, probably about 99% of the population is gothic if that were true.

But yes, thos problem with the court system is horrible. I think that people should understand that wicca is a religion, just like any other one. How would people start feeling if we started to bash Christians or Jews (not say I would or anything) but they have to understand that people do worship differant things and they should learn to accept it!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:17 AM  

I find it pathetic how people can't accept people for what they truly believe. I myself get harassed in schools because I practice wicca.

I ever tried to get people to understand it better. I did a project on it in my Christian Ethics class (yes, I am a senior in a christian high school) and the people in my CE class understood it and began to accept it. Though that was only about 30 people out of the entire 800 students in my school.

I just wish that people would stop making assumptions that I worship the devil and that I beleive that everyone who doesn't beleive in what I beleive will go to hell. Ya, hello, I don't beleive in Hevan or Hell. I beleive in a summerland where we wait to be judged and reincarnated.

Though sadly, there will always be discrimination in the world, and there is very little that we can do.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:33 PM  

Well, I'm just kind of in shock right now. I mean, this IS America, right? In the 21st century? Or is it the Dark Ages again when a person is defined by his/her outlook of the world? Wow, just, wow. There are a couple girls in my coven that are behind the girl who's being forced to go to church. This is worse than the Fort Hood incident, surprisingly. lastly, I am proud to be a Wiccan where we do NOT judge a person by his/her religion.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:28 PM  

Oh good greif does everyone have any sence of dignity left within them hnnnn well i can't say
i havn't been where the girl got forced to do to church one day... I have it's not right not a total part of da religion I follow. necromancy and all we have our discromination just like the Wiccan
do and it is very unfair it's a culture and it is respected as some like the Government here in canada accepts HELL the arm accepts it !!!!

why not just let it become accemtable that all religions r equal some of these people have a lot of nerve

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:01 PM  

Ok, I completly understand where everyone is coming from.

I have this site up where I have actually admited to being Wiccan, and of course i stuck in a guestbook. But ever since that happened, I keep getting hate messages. People keep not only me, but some of my friends as well. On my site, i put a picture of a few of my frineds during Samhain where we had all coincidently *spelling?* dressed up in witch costumes. We took a picture of everyone in the feild behind our school and i put it up. I really just think it is disgusting how people can't accept people for what they beleive in and for what they look like.

But anyway, that artical is very horrible. I mean, i thought we were making progress in this new age of ours! Argh!! I really hope people start to wise up on how to treat people who beleive in somthing differant. Goddess, i really can't beleive how badly things have gotten... next thing you know, they are going to start up again with the Salem Witch burnings again... goddess, i don't want our religion to go through that again...

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:45 PM  

I am one of the many people who practice satanism, but unlike you other people, i am accepted at my school because i scare the living shit outta people. but i have also started a movement against discrimination in my school and it worked. they now accept it as a true religion like cristianity. you just have to give them the facts about your religion and theyll most likely leave you alone or respect you for your decisions.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:14 AM  

Greetings Wiccan Friends:

Unfortunately at 15, society (i.e, the government) still decides what is or is not appropriate for her, if she is not under her parents guardianship.

When the young lady turns 18, she can then ask the Court to intervene, and they will then have the juristiction to do so. That is the way it is today, and we will change it if we can, but under our system of government that takes time and effort.

Wicca, www.wicca.com/celtic/wicca/wicca.htm has come a long way, and still has road blocks to overcome, but the teaching of the Goddess can not be ignored forever, now that the church can know longer silence us.

Are we allowed to donate books to her?

Oh, by the way. The devil is a christian concept, and Wiccans do not belive in the devil. Evil we do belive in, but that is an individuals choice (unless there is organic mental illness), and only an irresponsible and ignorant person does evil.

Wiccans are supposed to strive to creat win-win situation when dealing with other people and/or creatures.

May the Goddess Bless you wherever you roam, and give you the attitude and ability to roam wherever you choose. Wise and Bleesed Be. Harm None and Do As Thee Will.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:53 PM  

It just makes me want to cry. I have been practicing for 12 years as a solitary and I see things till havent changed. When I was in High school I was taken aside by a teacher who refused to tough me and she asked me if I was a devil worshipper. I politely explained what wicca was and what it stood for. That same day I was called down to the office because the teacher was so uncomfortable with me that she raised (excuse the saying) hell about how she was NOT going to have a witch in her classroom. Insted of fighting it (which I could have) I opted out of her class because I couldnt take the backlash that was sure to come. I have been beated, cursed at spit at, and broken up with (ex fiancee) because people cant deal with what I am. I now have three boys who I worry about every second they go out the door because they are now going through what I have because I am a practicing witch. They are not into the religon because I feel its their choice to be in it and they are not old enough to choose. I hope against hope that one day the christian right will learn to read their propagande ( i mean bible) and reliese it says love thy neighbor, not beat and shun them.
Blessed Be,
Adamina Shining Raven~

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:10 PM  

P.S.
Sorry about the typos, I really am upset by what I see as a modern day witchhunt
P.S.S.
to the devil worshipper, trust me it has been done and they stillw ill not respect you

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:15 PM  

Ignorance is not as trifling a thing as people assume. Everyone discriminates. Its easy to catch others in the act, but if you pay attention, you'll find that you also judge people, no matter what your claims are. I'm wiccan, and I face discrimination in my small town predominantly cristian school. but it is my personal opinion that people will think what they want and law is the only thing stopping them from acting on their opinions. just let it go and turn the other cheek, escalation only leads to heartbreak
blessed be, Robby

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:16 AM  

Sounds like they were going to force that kid to go to church whether she liked it or not. I am curious how this case turned out. I am not a Wiccan but I do know Francis Townsdin. She was totally pathetic in my opinion. I also know that at least one of her kids won't have anything to do with her which is interesting that she would have taken a case like this on. jmo

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:40 AM  

I have a friend that is gay and a wiccan. They have been through everything from shunning to exorcism when they were never possessed in the first place. The parents of this person subjected him to various religious "projects". The exorcism was the worst because it traumatized him the most. He had bibles thrown at him and he just sat there asking "Why are we going through this? Do you HAVE to leave bruises on me?" - it stopped when he shut up and began crysing because what the preachers was doing PHYSICALLY HURT - not like there was something on the inside trying to come out at all!

This really happens, people. I see the cruelty as being equivalent to a person whipping a Hindu until they bleed to become a christian - do it or die sort of threats... Because when its the mother and father doing this to a child ESPECIALLY when they are old enough to leave (20) and holding them back by taking their money and their freedom..... I see it as cruel. This person couldn't take it any longer and decided that because they couldn't get out of the house, they would try suicide before seeing 21.

People don't want to think about this but, it happens too often! The situation repeats and I want to say that grand scale terrorism is NOT new to America - if you cannot even have the freedom to be yourself, then what is the point?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:35 AM  

if you really think that that list of bull s**t is true you should rethink your own life im a wiccan and in the military and i support those that think outside the box and if my child wants to practice then im all for it you should encourage any child to make their own choices even if you dont like the outcome but saying that a cereal is of (SATAN) grow up now!!!!! you are here to guide the children to a better living not force them in to slavery i was taught a big part of all faiths and i picked what i wanted as my faith as i will do with all my children and noone can tell me how to bring up my children thank you ARILIN ISIS OF THE WOODS

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:44 AM  

thats wrong i do all of the things in that list and im not a satan worshipper just because we dress differently doesnt make us evil and the thing about the pins was just stupid any one who is wereing a in like that is just a poser and more rednecks drink and more trendy ppl are the ones on drugs if you havnt noticed i suggest you remove your head from your and have a fresh look about have a nice day


yours truly Wave
ps get a life

By Blogger Dark Wave, at 12:42 PM  

Please seek immediate attention if your church has any of the following:

Pointed (Ogival) Arches

Ribbed Vaults

Flying Buttresses

Clerestory Windows

Romanesque Influence

Clustered Columns

Spires

Wheel Windows

Ambulatory, with Radiating Chapels

If you observe these, your church may be gothic. Gothic churches may have flamboyant arches, or their arches may be depressed. They are almost certainly involved with fornication, particularly in the cellars.

If your teenager is moody, or sleeps more than you do, or sleeps less than you do, immediately freak out and call a dozen exorcists, because that is totally not normal.
Eating any Chocula-themed cereal is fine though.

Also, when you die you rot in the ground.

By Blogger Doctorb, at 5:42 PM  

oh my goddess. i cannot believe that now, in the 21st century,some people still do not follow the first in the bill of rights.i am younger than she is, and i currently am in the process of telling my parents im wiccan. if that is the reaction from the state that minors will get, than what will happen to the future? will we have another burning times, to?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:57 PM  

I am from Kansas and I understand what she is going through. Hoisington and other small communities have trouble here accepting anything that is not god related. Heck, besides the wicca callout at the prision here it is hard to find others of like mind where I live. I feel for her. There is nothing harder for a teen than to be ignored and misunderstood.

By Blogger Erin, at 12:53 AM  

I can't belive this!!! I'm writing to them ASAP. This kind of discrimination should NOT be allowed! I'm involved in Amnesty International at my school and I'm going to try and get some of the other members to help me out.

Blessed Be.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:32 PM  

This is bull, we have freedome of religion! weither it be Peggan or Wicca or even Christian. This little rampage against us 'witches' needs to end now. i'm not standing by on this. I'm writing a letter now.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:47 AM  

Hi i just wanted to say that i feel realy bad for this girl and that i believe that all religions have some valid beleifs and that if you feel that a certain faith is right for you you should study it and meet some people who study that faith and get to know more about what its like. I now follow a celtic originated wicca and im happy so i think that if its right for you go for it and make sure you allow others the chance to be happy and follow their faith

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:05 AM  

hey guys, I'm a girl of 18 and I believe wicca is a very beautiful religion. I live in the bible belt and it's hard to talk to anyone about it, except a few of my friends.

Why would God judge good intentions about magick? yes, it's an independent practice(christians believe you should be ONLY dependent in him because it brings you closer to god) but as long as you include God in your practice and in your life, what's the harm?

I'm saying this(about God)to aviod Hell, because what if there was one. We don't know so we join christians just incase if there is such a spiteful physical place. I think that's what it is with people.

God wants us to be content with our selves and to know what's right.

I'm not in a full relation ship with god, because I'm surrounded by preacher rednecks and the way they preach makes me feel funny. I don't think the funnieness is connected with negativity, but I guess CHURCH doesn't fit my personality. The church I seldom go to is a church that respects who you are( what you dress,your personality) but I strongly doubt they accept good intentions in magick. Obviously ALL churches of God do and forever will they deny good hearted magick.

It's not like I want to:
-Harm someone
-KILL
-control people
-control the weather
-make someone love me
-make myself a god or be higher than anyone else.
-to cheat
-worship the devil(which he COULD exist just like I said the thing about hell)
-to worship any god/dess before him(I'm not saying all of them are a lie, but the demons make them a lie by hullusinating you. The demons may get in a way of your chosen diety....I don't know, but it could happen)

I could be a gnostic(wants proof of why a religion is a religion)wanting to do magick. I believe in fairies, I believe in dragons and all the magical beings of the astral plane. They had always facinated me and want to SEE there existence by conjuring.

I'm very confused and need content answers. Which path should choose? I don't want to go to hell, but I want to do magick.:(

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:23 PM  

that thing about goths and wiccans pissed me off...

i wear black clothes sometimes, i'm a wiccan, and listen to rock/metal!, i wear band t-shirts, and i also listen to "goth" music (the actual term for some gothic music is "symphonic metal" because of the female singer (ex: nightwish)), i like to be alone because i'm a teenager and i like sleeping too...cus sleeping means i get to dream, black nail polish means NOTHING!, complaining about boredome is bad...?, cable tv...realy...., internet= music people!, RPG games arent bad either(call the preists/rabbi or something! i like role playing games), and i support bi/gay people! i even joined a day of silence for gay rights thing at school!!, and countchocula...realy people....REALY?!?! ITS CEREAL!

The only thing that is a cause for alarm is the drugs and alchohol abuse...

By Anonymous Sophie, at 7:40 PM  

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I've been forced to go to church by my family all my life,and i am 14.They yell their bible verses at me.my mom even wanted to send me to a shrink!And i tried to point out the pure love in the nature of the Craft to them and the response i got was"thats how it drawls you into the evil"!what's up wih that and even worse i found tis website
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0702/wiccans.html it is sickening!and i have a wiccan support site at myspace.com/arilcurtis35

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Those all problems with the court and the system are terrible. Still, you think you have it hard? Try to live a peaceful Wiccan life in a country that does not yet legally recognizes Wicca as religion. That's right. I'm a Mexican and I live in Mexico City; I have to be extra careful, because if I ever have any problem because of my religion, I have no backup. In Mexico not only most people ignores what Wicca is, but the goverment does not recognizes is as an official religion, so basically, we're not considered here. Sure, our laws forbid too any kind of religous discrimination, but how could we appeal to that if we are not even considered a religion? So far I haven't had any problem with anyone, but I always wonder, what if I ever do?

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I wuld like to fully send my support to this girl. I think that it is beyond discrimination, and that her religious rights are being tread upon.

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My comments on the post of the rules:

-Is excessively awake during the night

There are more goths in the world just because people never heard about insomnias...

-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your child may speak to evil sprits.)

Suddenly I realize that maths homeworks are evil spirits (just because I think it's difficult to do them with noise).

-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.

Don't want to put a leash on son/daughter?

I have more, but it's best to keep my mouth shut...

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